03-22-2016, 12:07 PM
(03-22-2016, 09:20 AM)Sithis link Wrote:Number one was the radio tower. The marked LZ was on the road downhill from the radiotower. This means that even an HMG or AT weapon placed close to the objective to protect it would have been able to engage the helicopter at any point and most critically while landed at the LZ. There is no way for a pilot to recon a hidden heavy weapon like that until he is dead.
Your line of argument would prohibit any sort of helicopter insertion into enemy territory since there can always be hidden AA threads anywhere, so we might as well ditch choppers altogehter
Quote:Number two was the within range of AA.
Let me think... how many AA missiles were fired at us? That's right, zero. Zavarak and the road lies in a valley. The southern hills aren't very high, which is why I ordered an approach from the south and at low altitude so that the terrain would shield us from any AA thread. And lo and behold, we reached the LZ without ever drawing fire.
Quote:Now it is probably more a question of doctrine than execution how high a risk is acceptable on insertion, but when you only survive, because APC and infantry 40 meters away werent able to detect a landing helicopter in plain sight, it is a clear sign that more conservative LZs are advisable.
Geez, if your pilot inserts you 40 meters away from an APC and infantry, I am sorry, that is NOT MY FAULT, it is the fault of your pilot. I EXPLICITLY told them to look for an alternate LZ if there was any sort of danger, and as I said in my previous post, that is a normal question of common sense. I am getting tired of having to point this out.
I say again, not landing on top of an APC is THE PILOT'S TASK, not the team leader. If the pilot is not able to make that call by himself, do not blame me for it. The LZ's were fine, the outcome of both the LZ at the tower AND the LZ near the town completely justify my decision. Was there a risk involved? Yes there was, but you start to risk something as soon as you get out of your bloody base. Your argument could be applied to the entire area of the map, there could be a patrolling APC or aircraft anywhere. In any real-life situation you would probably have more intel.
@Unnamed
Quote:I had a quick glanze on the map and didn't like what I saw, objected, but was told to go there in a wide route. still didn't like the first LZ
Same rules apply. You don't have to like it, but as a matter of fact, we had no missiles flying so my estimate that the lower foothills would shield us if we fly in low was right on the point.As I said before, I am not going to stretch out the mission to two hours just because we want to play it safe all the time.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.