Quote:Your line of argument would prohibit any sort of helicopter insertion into enemy territory since there can always be hidden AA threads anywhere, so we might as well ditch choppers altogehter
We do have known enemy locations. Of course we have to take some risks, but instead of landing between the enemies Kamikaze style we could do two things:
1. Land out of range of heavy weapons from known enemy locations.
2. Land out of range of known enemy AA sites.
Variable mentioned the balance between fun and risk and he is absolutely right and I am not proposing landing 5 km away, just maybe not in sight of the enemy HMG.
Quote:Let me think... how many AA missiles were fired at us? That's right, zero.
Yes, but not thanks to planning and knowledge of the enemy AA set up, but thanks to luck. One unseen terrain feature or one AA in a slightly different spot and that would have been it.
Quote:I say again, not landing on top of an APC is THE PILOT'S TASK, not the team leader.
It is 100% the leaders task. Espacially when on the next insertion one pilot says it is to risky and the leader says "well you will do it anyway". We are talking transport helicopters not recon choppers. The pilot has no way of knowing weather the LZ is safe until something blows him to pieces. It is the leaders responsibility to minimize that risk.
Quote:Your argument could be applied to the entire area of the map, there could be a patrolling APC or aircraft anywhere.
Oh absolutely, there is always a risk.
But knowing the enemy hot spots and nothing else one can at least take those into account. I have not been arguing about any possible threats, but only about threats that we knew about.
Quote:In any real-life situation you would probably have more intel.
@ Varanon
Quote:We do not have a doctrine
Well doctrine for a lack of better word. Like the standart formations in use and the balance between safety and danger. What should I call that instead?
Quote:If you want safety in landing zones, be prepared to spent half the evening walking, because no sane landing zone would be within a kilometer of a known AA threat in reality.
Well we have 1 km walk in several missions, so I did not see this as an issue.
It cant be any better, it cant be any worse, because thats how it is. Quit the bitching.